In this torn desert world there is no love because pleasure and desire
play the greatest roles, yet without love your daily life has no meaning.
And you cannot have love if there is no beauty. Beauty is not
something you see - not a beautiful tree, a beautiful picture, a beautiful
building
or a beautiful woman. There is beauty only when your heart and mind know
what love is. Without love and that sense of beauty there is no virtue,
and you know very well that, do what you will, improve society, feed
the poor, you will only be creating more mischief, for without love there
is only ugliness and poverty in your own heart and mind. But when there
is love and beauty, whatever you do is right, whatever you do is in order.
If you know how to love, then you can do what you like because it will
solve all other problems. So we reach the point: can the mind come upon
love without discipline, without thought, without enforcement, without
any book, any teacher or leader - come upon it as one comes upon a lovely
sunset? It seems to me that one thing is absolutely necessary and that
is passion without motive - passion that is not the result of some commitment
or attachment, passion that is not lust. A man who does not know what
passion is will never know love because love can come into being only
when there is total self-abandonment. A mind that is seeking is not a
passionate mind and to come upon love without seeking it is the only
way to find it - to come upon it unknowingly and not as the result of
any effort or experience. Such a love, you will find, is not of time;
such a love is both personal and impersonal, is both the one and the
many. Like a flower that has perfume you can smell it or pass it by.
That flower is for everybody and for the one who takes trouble to breathe
it deeply and look at it with delight. Whether one is very near in the
garden, or very far away, it is the same to the flower because it is
full of that perfume and therefore it is sharing with everybody. Questioner: There is something I'd like to discuss. I see that like
and dislike are a matter of opinion - as what is ugly and what is beautiful
- everyone has their own ideas. If I have no image about things, is there
anything beautiful or ugly? Krishnamurti: To like: has that anything
to do with affection, with love? Questioner: No. Krishnamurti: Don't
say, no or yes, go into it. And the feeling of beauty, does it come out
of an image? Look at it - don't answer. I see a building created in space,
and I say, `How beautiful that is.' Now that expression, "How beautiful",
is it born of an image? Or is there no image, but the perception of something
which has proportion, depth, quality, workmanship. Questioner: You have
an image of what is beautiful or of what you like: you are comparing
it with something else. Your conditioning comes in. Krishnamurti: That's
right. Watch it, it is much more complex than that. You see that tree
- do you say it is beautiful? Why do you say it is beautiful, who has
told you? Or, apart from the images, do you feel from everything a sense
of beauty? - not related to trees, buildings, people. You understand?
- the sense of beauty - not looking at anything particular. Questioner:
If you really look, it doesn't only happen with trees. Krishnamurti:
You see a building and you say, "How beautiful that is." Is
it because you have compared it with other buildings? - or because it
is a famous building by Wren or the Ancient Greeks and so you say, "What
a marvellous thing that is." Because you have been told about it
and there is the image you have made about the man who built it; and
so you comply because the popular thing to say is, "How beautiful!" Or
do you have a sense of beauty irrespective of anything created or not
created? Have you understood my question? Questioner: The sense of beauty
has nothing to do with what you see. Krishnamurti: That's just it. The
sense of beauty has nothing to do with what you see outside. Now what
is that sense of beauty? Questioner: A state of harmony. Krishnamurti:
You are too quick in answering, go into it. What is that sense of beauty?
Questioner: It's vitality. Krishnamurti: It is a little more complex,
go into it. As we said just now, if you have an image either about yourself,
or an artist, or a great man, then that image is going to dictate what
is beautiful, depending on the culture, on the popularity of the artist,
or the statue, or the painting, this or that. So the image you have prevents
the sense of beauty, in which there is no image. Questioner: It prevents
the very seeing. Krishnamurti: Of course. So, not to have images at all!
You follow? - the image is the `me'. When there is no `me', there is
the sense of beauty. Have you the sense of the `me'? Then, when you say, "That
is beautiful", you are just reacting to the image you have about
what is beautiful, which is based on your literature, on your culture,
the pictures, the museums to which you have been exposed. You can't ever
say, "How ugly!" when looking at a painting by Leonardo da
Vinci; or when you are listening to Mozart, "What a noise!" It
is really quite extraordinary: to have no image about oneself is to have
this sense of extraordinary beauty. Questioner: If you listen to some
music for the first time and you don't like it, through repetition you
suddenly, or gradually, come to like it. Krishnamurti: Yes, what happens?
You don't like Indian music, and you listen to it three or four times;
then you begin to see something in it - not because you have been told
- you listen. That means you are paying attention. Questioner: You were
paying attention the first time. Krishnamurti: The first time it was
noise. Questioner: You already have a notion what Western music is. Krishnamurti:
You are used to Western music and you are suddenly faced with Chinese
music. The first time you couldn't listen to it very carefully, there
was a reaction - you follow? That is why any image, outer or inner, is
the emphasis of the `me', `the ego', the personality, all that; and that
absolutely prevents the quality and the sense of beauty. Which means,
passion is not dependent nor the cause of something. Questioner: If my
sense of beauty makes me feel there is no difference between the beauty
of the sun or the beauty of a tree..? Krishnamurti: Wait, I have no image,
therefore I have the sense of beauty, the feeling of beauty. And I see
squalor, dirt, filth. I see a piece of paper on the road. What happens?
I pick it up. When I see filth on the road I do something; socially,
I act. I don't say, "I have a sense of beauty, I don't see that." Questioner:
I understand that. My sense of beauty is not destroyed by whatever goes
on. Even if I close my eyes, it is not dependent on seeing. Krishnamurti:
Absolutely right. But the sense of that beauty which is yours is mine
also. It is not my sense of beauty or your sense of beauty, or the collective
sense. It is beauty, the sense of beauty. To go into this is something
passionate. It beats all books! But I mustn't say that, because you must
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